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Bogen
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| LeFreak!!! You`re the Man:) |
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JustaGirlieGirl2
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| Probably the most colorful dialogue we've all had the recent pleasure to see! I am always happy to read our LeFreakie Friend's well-thought analysis and say "awesome - can't wait to get the whole CD!" |
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LeFreak
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| DCK wrote: | Dennis really knows how to get on 
But in the end, I'm just having a go at you Dennis  |
I know, although your last comment on the melodicrock.com forum was a hoot. How you really feel?  I can take it because I don't take anyone too seriously.
Oh, about the mr.com comment: I was making long essay comments well before the return to school. Think back to the TNT forums over the years (and before that was the chat room at Paal & Terje's site; the beginning). It's who I am, it's what I do. That's how I express myself. It's hard for me to sum up my thoughts with:
"Dude, it sux!  "
"It totally rox, dude! "
...or anything else that simple. Always was. That's nothing new for any of the fans who've been around me from the very beginning. It's just not me.
That's how I roll, dude.
Oh, and watch out, because I saw some hilariously corny rap, hip hop, R&B, and cheesy pop on tv while I was visiting over there a few years ago; heard it on the radio as well. That crap's our gift to you, my friend: enjoy it!!! |
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LeFreak
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| Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Bogen wrote: | | LeFreak!!! You`re the Man:) |
Tusen takk, Mr. Bogen. You should visit the melodicrock.com forums and see the bee's nest I stirred up over there. Unfortunately, it's attracting all kinds of trash and I just don't have the time and energy to devote to responding to each and every one of them, so I'll let them swarm and frenzy and shoot little two-liners off while they pat themselves on the back for whatever it is that gives them a purpose in life. It was just fun to upturn the rocks and get all the bugs scurrying about like mad.
I think Andrew has already judged the album and the band regardless of output (and this goes for a lot of people), and I'm also convinced that he has ulterior motives and alternative reasons for his actions. He has a bias already before he gives the band a chance. But that's a whole different story that applies across the board to a lot of listeners right now. I think a lot of people have listened to the post-Harnell releases with their minds already made up before the very first note was sounded.
Tony H. was a good frontman when it came to PR and establishing a rapport with the media and fans, while Ronni has taken an overall more impersonal approach, mostly doing formal interviews on tv, radio, and publications. That's coming back to bite him in the butt in this regard because TH has made a lot of allies and formed allegiances that he has taken away with him, and the backlash falls on Ronni's camp regardless of what they do. Ronni lets his music speak for him more than speaking for his music. Also...children of a divorce many times form affections for one parent over the other, and TH displays more outward signs of affection by way of frequent personal interaction. Anyway, Harnell also deserves all the success he can get, so all the more power to him. They're all musicians trying to make it in a very trying and fickle business. |
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PeSt
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Well formulated review, and as the last time, very spot on up to the point of me reviewing the pictures I took in the studio and at the farm to see if I could spot "Waldo" ... 
I may not agree with all of your pre-review rant, but I do respect your opinion and view on things. It sure did awaken the people at MR. What a hoot!
Carry on... BOX!
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LeFreak
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Just one look and listen at Ronni's past output reveals one major difference between him and the kids who are criticizing kids (kids, because some seem like children metally). That difference becomes evident when you consider Ronni works with hard rock, heavy metal, and death metal musicians. He also collaborates with pop, rap, folk, techno, jazz, and experimental musicians. I read the What Are You Listening To Now threads on these forums and what I see are a lot of fans who like hard rock and heavy metal. Just hard rock and heavy metal, often with shockingly little variety within those parameters. What's evident about Ronni—and separates him in this regard—is he just likes music. Just music in general. There's a more open and broad mind to the very concept of music as a whole and not limited to any narrow preconceptions.
I'm not razzing anybody about what they listen to; I'm simply pointing out a major difference that might explain certain mindsets that develop in people when compared to people who are very open and liberal in their general thinking. I can only say I'm glad I listen to a lot of different music genres. Not sub-genres, but genres: rock, jazz, cultural, blues, folk. I guess I have a very open mind to the concept of music and have since my childhood. I'm glad for that.
People at MR (and anywhere else) who think that TNT is becoming a pop band are seriously disillusioned. Hard rock and metal is pop music. It's part of popular culture and it's music. Pop culture plus music=pop music. All rock is part of popular Western culture, whether it's metal, classic, indie, alternative, punk, or polka. So, of course TNT is a pop band, just like (insert your favorite band here).
Quote from Strunk and White:
"Your whole duty as a writer is to please and satisfy yourself, and the true writer always plays to an audience of one. Start sniffing the air or glancing at the Trend Machine, and you are as good as dead, although you may make a nice living."
Excerpt from How Music Really Works:
"Though you may play for an audience of 5,000, those are 5,000 individual, private minds, not a single 'audience mind' consisting of 5,000 minds. So you really are writing and performing for one single solitary individual. First yourself, then one listener. And that's all."
May Ronni always keep pursuing his own passion as he has done. To hell with the rest because you can't please everyone anyway and you'll just kill yourself trying.
I think I'll end it there for this whole topic. It has a sense of finality. I've spoken my mind and I'm not about to change my opinion anytime soon. |
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DCK
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| Quote: | | I know, although your last comment on the melodicrock.com forum was a hoot. How you really feel? |
Whatever you say college boy. I could have easily signed up with another nickname you know, college boy.
I went to college to you know. 3 years.
What I don't get though, is why the fuck you even bothered with your review there. Some of your paragraphs are highly arrogant and talks down on the music those guys over there loves. It's like going to church and handing out a college paper on why Jesus is a hoax.
Face it Dennis, you're talking this album so high up in the cloud it sounds like the second coming while most people over there think the album is pure crap. They're not your audience. Your a college boy now, you should where you're audience is located. They're absolutely NOT at melodicrock.com
Your reviews fits at two places. Here and Ronni's board. That's it. Preach to the choir.
| Quote: | | People at MR (and anywhere else) who think that TNT is becoming a pop band are seriously disillusioned. Hard rock and metal is pop music. It's part of popular culture and it's music. Pop culture plus music=pop music. All rock is part of popular Western culture, whether it's metal, classic, indie, alternative, punk, or polka. So, of course TNT is a pop band, just like (insert your favorite band here). |
I don't know what college taught you, but when the concept of "pop" is spoken about, people usually connect it to radio easy listening. Backstreet Boys, Britney Spears or Madonna. When a radio station says they play pop music, are you expecting to hear Dimmu Borgir?
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hawkiiz
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huh. if the album is not popular, which it clearly is not at MR.com, then it is definately NOT a pop album.
lets call it radio rock, then.
why bother making this into a sciencs? if people dont like it, they will not like it no matter how much "logic" you put into it.
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Tntfan101
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So everyone is supposed to hate this album Tor??? And someone with a constructive opinion like Dennis and I are the bad guys?
I'm confused... 
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hawkiiz
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of course not. everyone is supposed to decide if they like it or not. i dont think any of us can push them in any direction anyway. the only thing we can do is tell people to LISTEN to the album. if they do that, then they can say whatever they feel. some will like it and some will hate it. thats life.
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Tntfan101
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 3:22 am Post subject: |
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| hawkiiz wrote: | | of course not. everyone is supposed to decide if they like it or not. i dont think any of us can push them in any direction anyway. the only thing we can do is tell people to LISTEN to the album. if they do that, then they can say whatever they feel. some will like it and some will hate it. thats life. |
Seeing as most on MR based their opinion on 3 half-minute samples, that's something to accept as legit... 
And Dennis and I can't have an opinion outside of this and Ronni's board? What?
And Tor, I suggest you stop being so incivil here, it won't get you any higher in our eyes.
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hawkiiz
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well thats what you get if you log on to itunes and preview a song. you get 30 seconds. thats the time the song have to make you buy. it is how the world is built these days. too bad if those seconds are crap.
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Tntfan101
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| hawkiiz wrote: | | well thats what you get if you log on to itunes and preview a song. you get 30 seconds. thats the time the song have to make you buy. it is how the world is built these days. too bad if those seconds are crap. |
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What are you implying? 
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hawkiiz
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that the industry of today is based on 30-second samples. people have to like the 30 free seconds they get, or they wont spend money on the song/album. it may not be healthy, but thats how it is today. make the first 30 seconds great, and you have a hit.
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PeSt
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I think it's nice that an album creates controvercy as I knew this (one too) would. My personal take it that there is a much more straight forward production. There are fewer suprises out in the mix, it's just very melodic and dead-tight. The vocal packages are superbly performed, and because the bass doesn't just follow Ronni's riffs, it is more visible in the sound. The guitar is much more blended into the mix than The New Territory, and even though there are massive vocal/guitar overdubs all over the place, there are also songs with just six guitar tracks. (Ronni dubs each guitar part three times, so six guitar tracks means two different guitars). The album is simply balanced quite well soundwise. It's the product of a band that is comfortable with themselves and where they are - and where they are heading...
I am quite sure that having Tommy do the mixing had a major impact on how it eventually ended up sounding, but I've heard some of the raw mixes before it went to Denmark and they weren't not far off. This album is well orchestrated, and I would advice everyone (as I did with the previous album) to put the CD in the player and crank it up. Don't settle for compressed MP3s on crap PC speakers. Give it a few spins, then come back here and offer constructive critisism.
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